Friday, 25 June 2010

Here you go: Request granted!

Hi there,

Now with new and improved tunes!!!

Don't mind me, just dropping some tunes for Korbi...
(He's this German dude that keeps me awake sometimes doing these awesome house/minimal streams - keep an eye out in the shoutbox if you ever want to see him in action, or visit his channels here and here!)

What can I say about the tunes, they are brilliant:
The Terrace is a song that will find it's way to your heart in just one listen.

Linus Loves - The Terrace [click to download]

My Name Is can be considered to be The Terrace's little brother, sometimes you don't like the sound of his high pitched girly voice, but when the two of you are getting along, he's so much fun!

Linus Loves - My Name Is [click to download]

This was also the perfect opportunity to try my very first high quality vinyl rip. You guys like the quality of the tunes? Or should I polish up my mastering skilz?

I've got another 100 vinyls waiting to be digitalised, so I need your honest feedback on this one before I tackle the task.


Korbi said...

Thank you so much! That made my day :D

PS: pssst... visit me... ! xD

Anonymous said...

This is classics, I remember from Felix Housecats set, but in other remix

Thank you !!

Boba Fettuccini said...

Sounds mono. You can't record in stereo?

I've got some nifty mastering tools. I'm gonna try sprucing these guys up a bit. :)

Boba Fettuccini said...

In addition, the hihats in The Terrace sound horrible, like they were recorded at 56 kbps. I don't remember the original track sounding like that at all.

Boba Fettuccini said...

In fact, it's just the whole thing in general, on both tracks. Really low bit depth on the drums on both, and it doesn't hold up next to the actual tracks at all.

SkeezyG said...

Ok Boba, calm down.

1) There is recorded in stereo. Unless he only used one of the RCA outs from the turntable, then it was definitely stereo.
2) There is no way that the "bit depth" had any negative effect on a specific part of the song, if anything it would effect on the song as a whole.

I do agree, the sound is a little off. This could be a number of things. The vinyl could have been mastered a bit differently from the digital release. More likely is the case that whoever "mastered" this song wasn't using studio monitors and made some poor judgment calls when it came to equalization and compression. Without going into details, it may have sounded great on their computer speakers, but garbage in a real system.

Just go to iTunes.

Boba Fettuccini said...

Calm down from what? I was simply reporting on what I was hearing. If anyone's overreacting, it's you for telling me to calm down :P

As I am pretty experienced in ripping vinyl, I think I know what I'm talking about. Just because he has RCA doesn't mean the recorded sounds have a distinct right and left channel. Stereo mic inputs on computers is a fairly recent thing. Without it, you DO get a stereo file, but the right and left channels are exactly the same.

And yes, bit depth CAN have a very negative impact. High tones are always more affected by low quality recording. Rip a Beatles CD at 96 KBPS and 256 KBPS and listen. Though the whole recording is lower quality, the higher percussion (cymbals, snares) will have a noticeably higher 'fuzz' on them, as is the case in his rips.

He asked for the truth, I gave it to him.

As for the mastering thing... no. The vinyl would not be mastered differently from the digital release. The record label gets an AIF or WAV or OGG from the artist, and then the same exact file gets put on the vinyl, the CD, and the online release. They aren't going to be any different, as they come from the same exact source file.

Also, I do not believe Linus Loves is available on iTunes.

Mr. Brown said...

Thanx for the feedback Boba:
To get some things clear:
I did record these in stereo
I did record these in high quality

They might sound a bit off because I had to filter out some recording noize/crackle.

I will check the bit depth on my recordings and see if I did something wrong with the sampling...

The tune however does sound pretty much the same as the original with the bass slightly pumped up. I can however hear a difference in sound.

If you have any program you'd suggest me using? Please tell me.

@ SkeezyG:
I was kinda hoping Boba would comment like this, he has the experience and honesty I need. Don't start an argument over good old me please...

pillowplumper said...

Here through /r/tf2, actually. Good stuff! I've got the whole page streaming through Foxytunes-- it's been real enjoyable.

SkeezyG said...

Yes, Linus Loves is available on iTunes.

Stereo MIC inputs (+4bDu) may be a recent thing, but a consumer grade stereo LINE inputs (-10bDv, which is what this should be used for) is not. Any old laptop with a 1/8" input jack is indeed a stereo line input.

You clearly know nothing about mastering if you believe that a vinyl release would be mastered the same exact way as a digital release. (The difference in the possible acoustic range alone should be an indicator them needing to be treated differently) So I won't even try to argue the point there. The lossless stereo file the studio puts out then goes to a mastering engineer who will do multiple masters of the same song for different applications. A CD master, a Vinyl master, a TV master, and a digital release master are all going to be different. Not to mention that most vinyl masters are done in house with the guys pressing the vinyl.

There are two really good ways to import vinyl so you can convert it to a digital media. One, find a soundcard that looks for a turntables particular input level, namely a DJ soundcard. The NI Audio 4 DJ is a great option for this, it even gives you the option to adjust the input level if you need the preamp slightly louder or softer.

The second way is to run it into a DJ mixer. This also has a preamp that is looking for the same voltage that a turntable is putting out (Which Boba should know is not even close to the super low level voltage of a mic input. Try plugging a consumer grade audio device into a real mic preamp, let me know what happens.) This gives you the option to adjust the incoming gain, perhaps some crude EQ tweaks, and will give you a balanced LINE LEVEL stereo output. After all, that was the planned destination for the record right?

Lastly, as I said before, the bit depth will affect the song as a WHOLE not just one particular element of the mix. And when you say, 96kbps or 256kbps, that is the SAMPLE RATE not the bit depth. The average bit depth for a stereo file is between 16 or 24 bits and in rare cases up to 48. As soon as you get to 8 bit, welcome to Nintendo land.

I don't mean to come off like a dick, but pretty much everything you were saying was wrong.

As an act of good faith, here's the whole album for everyone to enjoy. It is indeed a classic.

SkeezyG said...

and that was dBu. lol

Boba Fettuccini said...

"A CD master, a Vinyl master, a TV master, and a digital release master are all going to be different. Not to mention that most vinyl masters are done in house with the guys pressing the vinyl."

Yes, but that's not going to affect the difference between the vinyl sounding like low band AM radio, and the CD sounding normal. If I put my One More Time 12" alongside the CD single, they sound exactly the same. You put his rip alongside the original, they do not. I'm really doubting it's a problem with the vinyl's mastering.

Mr. Brown, unless the pops and clicks of the vinyl are really truly obscuring the sound, I'd recommend not filtering them. The pop filters are probably whats removing the cymbals' edge, and dampening the synths.

SkeezyG said...

The tracks sound MUCH better in terms of balance and quality, just one problem. No bass! Sounds like the bass EQ on a mixer was left all the way down. Almost there though...

Tyson said...

Thee Jamie Starr Scenario - Welcome To Thee Lite... Look it up!